Jane Muncke: “Shutting Off The Plastic Tap: A Global Treaty To Regulate Petrochemical Pollution?”




Episode 154
December 8th, 2024

(Conversation recorded on December 2nd, 2024) 

Show Summary

One of the central ecological challenges of our time is addressing the plastic and petrochemical pollution that has exploded over the past several decades. This global issue will require the cooperation of all nations. But based on the disintegration of UN negotiations for a treaty on plastic pollution last Sunday, this is easier said than done. 

In this special episode, Nate is joined by toxicologist Jane Muncke, who provides an in-depth analysis following the final day of discussions in Busan, South Korea. Together, they explore the complex intergovernmental negotiations that have defined the treaty process, as well as the environmental and health policies that have shaped these conversations in recent years.

Will we ever be able to place chemical safety and public health above economic motivations at the global level? Could increased public awareness of the way these seemingly convenient products affect our health and well-being finally shut off the plastic tap? Finally, is it possible for the treaty to go beyond waste management and recycling, to instead move towards reducing the production and consumption of plastics at the source? 

About Jane Muncke

Jane Muncke holds a doctorate degree in environmental toxicology and a MSc in environmental science from the ETH Zurich. Since 2012 she has been working as Managing Director and Chief Scientific Officer at the charitable Food Packaging Forum Foundation (FPF) in Zurich, Switzerland. FPF is a research and science communication organization focusing on chemicals in all types of food contact materials. 

Jane Muncke is a full scientific member of the Society of Toxicology (SOT), the Society for Environmental Chemistry and Toxicology (SETAC), the American Chemical Society (ACS) and the Endocrine Society. Since 2019, she has been an elected expert member of the Swiss Organic Farming Association Bio Suisse’s committee on trade and processing where she contributes to further developing the standards for processing and packaging of organic food. She is a director of the FAN initiative, a collective of experts warning about resource overshoot, the polycrisis, and related societal collapse.

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00:00 - Jane Muncke info + works, prior TGS Episode

00:23 - Shanna Swan + TGS Episode, Martin Scheringer + TGS Episode, Sian Sutherland + TGS Episode, Jeremy Grantham + TGS Episode 

01:05 - Plastic pollution treaty negotiations adjourned in South Korea 

03:37 - UN Global Plastics Treaty + more info

05:12 - Resolution passed by UNEA in March 2022

06:50 - Plastics in our blood + our brain

07:03 - Decline in sperm count + testosterone levels

07:08 - The impact of EDCs on wildlife

08:35 - High Ambition Coalition (HAC) + HAC’s most recent joint statement

09:15 - The direct relationship between plastic production and pollution + the need to urgently reduce Primary Plastic Polymers (PPPs)

09:59 - Polymers and plastics explained

11:07 - What’s in a barrel of oil?

13:24 - Global distribution of plastic production + plastic waste

13:35 - Statement on behalf of the ‘like-minded group’

17:27 - Plastics used in agricultural production + impacts on soil plastic contamination

18:27 - The Polymer Premium proposal

19:21 - Leo Trasande

19:43 - Study on the health costs of plastics in the US

20:54 - State of the science on plastic chemicals report + more info

25:50 - Scientists’ Coalition for an Effective Plastics Treaty

27:02 - Juliet Kabera 

32:14 - Thomas Homer-Dixon

32:57 - 1969 ‘doubt is our product’ memo + the legacy of manufactured doubt

35:32 - Chemicals in our food from plastic packaging

35:57 - Health effects of plastic pollution

36:33 - Toxic pollutants from plastic waste incineration + improper burning of plastics around the world, global macroplastic emission pollution inventory + health impacts of emissions from plastic incineration

37:12 - Soil intoxication in Lausanne

41:41 - Fast-moving consumer goods

45:12 - Commanding Hope

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