Jonathan Haidt: "Social Psychology in an Age of Social Fragmentation"

Episode 59
February 22, 2023

(Conversation recorded on January 10th, 2023)  

Show Summary

Today, Nate is joined by social psychologist Jonathan Haidt. Professor Haidt is one of the leaders in the understanding of human biases and predispositions, and how they affect cooperation, communication, and change-making. Human psychology and behavior is at the root of the larger predicament that humanity faces. Is it possible to use a better understanding of our own psychology to change our behavior and the behavior of future generations? Is social media hijacking the vulnerabilities of our social-psychological nature? How can we redesign systems technologies and systems to bring out the better sides of our natures, instead of amplifying the worst?

About Jonathan Haidt

Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist at New York University’s Stern School of Business. He received his Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania in 1992. Haidt’s research examines the intuitive foundations of morality, and how morality varies across cultural and political divisions. Haidt is the author of The Happiness Hypothesis (2006) and of The New York Times bestsellers The Righteous Mind (2012) and The Coddling of the American Mind (2018, with Greg Lukianoff). In 2019 he was inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Since 2018 he has been studying the contributions of social media to the decline of teen mental health and the rise of political dysfunction. He is currently writing two books: Kids In Space: Why teen mental health is collapsing, and Life After Babel: Adapting to a world we can no longer share.

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00:20 - Jonathan Haidt Works, Info, Books

01:07 - Robert Sapolsky, E.O. Wilson

02:10 - David Sloan Wilson + TGS Podcast

03:25 - The Happiness Hypothesis

03:39 - The Ancients

03:45 - Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

03:50 - Hamlet scene

05:22 - Limbic System and Neo-cortex

07:02 - The Hobbit, Ishmael

07:10 - The Righteous Mind

07:28 - Moral Psychology - Cognitive Development (Lawrence Colberg)

07:50 - Richard Shweder

08:02 - Alan Fiske

08:30 - Most social scientists are left leaning

09:07 - National Review, Thomas Sowell, Friedrich Hayek

09:36 - John Staurt Mill

11:23 - Group Selection

12:10 - The Coddling of the American Mind

14:53 - Millennials, Gen Z

15:10 - Gen Z twice the rate of mental illness than millennials

15:43 - How Trigger Warnings Are Hurting Mental Health on Campus - The Atlantic 

16:05 - Life After Babel - Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid - The Atlantic 

18:02 - Don Peck, Jeff Goldberg

19:45 - Huge spikes in mental health rates between 2012 and 2013 - especially for girls (Haidt’s Work)

20:48 - Kids in Space: Why Teen Mental Health is Collapsing

22:14 - Jonathanhaidt.com/socialmedia 

23:20 - PISA Study

24:45 - Timeline of social media development, teen adoption curve

28:29 - Hamline University Incident

29:18 - Schools that have banned Mark Twain, To Kill a Mockingbird

30:46 - Rewilding

31:10 - Nature is inherently unequal

31:58 - Jean Jacques Rousseau - idea that humans are malleable

32:27 - Daniel Schmachtenberger + TGS Series

33:58 - Ibn Khaldun

38:31 - Odes from Ovid

40:13 - Francis Haugen Whistleblower

40:13 - Mark Zuckerberg has complete control over Facebook

40:49 - Tristan Harris + TGS Episode

42:15 - Consilience E.O. Wilson

44:51 - Ilya Prigogine

45:30 - Postmodernism

48:03 - 1984 (Newspeak)

48:48 - Social Media Amplifies the loudest in the room

50:20 - Call-out/cancel culture

54:08 - More extreme candidates from the two parties being elected

55:48 - Representatives disincentivized from cooperating with the other side

57:15 - Anonymity with identity-authentication techniques

58:45 - Social Media Structural reforms that aren’t content monitoring

59:49 - Gen-Alpha

1:01:30 - Collective Action Problem

1:06:52 - Both-Sidesism

1:08:49 - Dynamism and Decency

1:09:10 - Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher

1:11:13 - Sociocentric vs individualistic societies

1:11:30 - Joseph Henrich - The WEIRDest People in the World

1:12:35 - Sosis - 19th Century Intentional Communities, those with lots of sacrifice lasted longer

1:15:12 - Evernote

1:16:30 - Steven Pinker

1:17:32 - Joseph Campbell - Hero’s Journey

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