Josh Farley: "Money, Money, Money”

Episode 29
July 27, 2022

(Conversation Recorded on June 9, 2022.)

On this episode we meet with ecological economist and Professor in Community Development & Applied Economics and Public Administration, Josh Farley.

Money. What is it? Where does it come from? How is it created? How is it tethered to our biophysical balance sheet? What is on the horizon with our monetary system? How might we create and use money differently in the future during a source and sink contained system? Josh Farley explains it all - and explains how the links between money, energy, and the economy will become more central in our lives.


Click here to listen to Josh and Nate’s first conversation on cooperation/competition.

About Josh Farley:

Josh Farley is an ecological economist and Professor in Community Development & Applied Economics and Public Administration at the University of Vermont. He is the President of the International Society for Ecological Economics.

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00:30 - Josh Farley works, info, previous podcast

04:03 - Money Creation in the Modern Economy (Bank of England papers)

05:07 - Mainstream economic theory of money

05:20 - The myth of the barter economy

05:34 - Adam Smith explaining money as a means of barter

05:51 - A reciprocity economy

07:05 - Money evolved to track reciprocal exchange - negating the need for relationships & trust

08:03 - Dunbar’s number

09:23 - The Bank of England report, Richard Werner

09:42 - How the government creates money (Federal Reserve/Central Bank Notes)

10:28 - Fractional reserve banking vs how it actually works

12:33 - There is no interest created when loans are made

14:21 - Exponential growth cannot be matched by a finite planet

14:55 - Loaning money to buy existing assets (stocks)

15:18 - Only IPOs are investments actually investing into capital for productive things

15:55 - In the last 10 years, stock buybacks by existing companies exceeded new stocks 10:1

17:48 - Creating new money is a claim on future resources

21:18 - Land speculation

21:49 - Thorstein Veblen - Business vs industry

22:13 - Finance accounts for 8% of global GDP, quadrupled in the past few decades

22:23 - Paul Volcker comments on FIRE sector

24:12 - How long has inflation been a standard yearly thing

24:46 - Interest rates have been a thing for thousands of years

25:02 - Many societies had jubilees

25:41 - Deflation was a concern for about 20 years

26:04 - Oil price skyrocket in the recession

28:04 - Conventional economics believes technology will always solve scarcity

30:45 - Modern Monetary Theory

31:15 - We do not have unused ecological capacity

32:22 - How ‘printing’ more money affects currency internationally

34:28 - We are doubling debt every 8-8.5 years and doubling economy every 20-25 years

35:00 - How the Great Depression and the Great Recession happened

36:40 - Debt deflation

37:21 - We have a cyclical boom/bust system

38:38 - Leverage ratio of US Central Bank and European Central Bank

42:45 - Quantitative easing

43:35 - Constitution on creating money

44:52 - 85% of politicians in England do not understand that banks create money

45:19 - US debt is 360% of GDP

47:38 - Household debt is 80% of GDP

47:48 - Wages for the poor are rising at record rates

49:06 - Many corporations are jacking up prices using market power and making record profit

50:19 - Brazil’s hyperinflation

53:19 - EROI

54:18 - Good Inflation

58:53 - We feel physical and social pain in the same part of our brain

59:55 - NYT article: businesses investing in green tech can’t be competitive with crypto

1:00:58 - North Dakota State Bank, and other states thinking of creating public banks

1:02:20 - Brazil’s Atlantic Forest cover is at 20%, it needs to get up to 30%

1:02:45 - Creating new parallel currencies

1:04:42 - Bernard Lietaer

1:05:13 - Jobs Guarantee

1:07:22 - Detethering from the gold standard

1:07:58 - Early theories that goldsmiths acted as early banks

1:08:37 - Fiat currencies only last 30-40 years

1:09:30 - The Real is the strongest currency in Latin America

1:09:45 - Inflation Backed Bond

1:10:29 - Public Banking

1:15:59 - Social Media commons

1:19:15 - The most satisfying things you can do are solving problems as a group

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