Corey Bradshaw: “The Population Problem: Human Impact, Extinctions, and the Biodiversity Crisis”

Episode 136
August 14th, 2024

(Conversation recorded on July 25th, 2024)

Show Summary

Human overpopulation is often depicted in the media in one of two ways: as either a catastrophic disaster or an overly-exaggerated concern. Yet the data understood by scientists and researchers is clear. So what is the actual state of our overshoot, and, despite our growing numbers, are we already seeing the signs that the sixth mass extinction is underway?

In this episode, Nate is joined by global ecologist Corey Bradshaw to discuss his recent research on the rapid decline in biodiversity, how population and demographics will change in the coming decades, and what both of these will mean for complex global economies currently reliant on a stable environment.

How might the current rate of species loss result in a domino effect of widespread and severe impacts on the health of the biosphere? What are the key factors driving changes in population growth, and how do these vary across different countries and cultures? Could we stabilize these trends and achieve a sustainable balance between biodiversity and human population through targeted policies and initiatives — and how much time is left to act?

About Corey Bradshaw

Corey Bradshaw is the Matthew Flinders Professor of Global Ecology and Director of the Global Ecology Laboratory at Flinders University in South Australia. He is also the head of the Flinders Modelling Node of the Centre of Excellence for Australian Biodiversity and Heritage. He has completed three tertiary degrees in ecology (BSc, MSc, PhD) from universities in Canada and New Zealand, and a Certificate in Veterinary Conservation Medicine from Murdoch University.

In a world where human activity has precipitated the current Anthropocene extinction event, he aims to provide irrefutable evidence to influence government policy and private behavior for the preservation of our planet’s biowealth. He has published over 300 peer-reviewed scientific articles, 13 book chapters and 3 books, including The Effective Scientist and Killing the Koala and Poisoning the Prairie



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00:00 - Corey Bradshaw works + info, Global Ecology Laboratory, ARC Centre of Excellence for Australian Biodiversity and Heritage

Papers discussed in this episode: Coextinctions dominate future vertebrate losses from climate and land use change

Net benefit of smaller human populations to environmental integrity and individual health and wellbeing

Long-term benefits of curbing human population growth

Human population reduction is not a quick fix for environmental problems

Underestimating the challenges of avoiding a ghastly future

Co-extinctions annihilate planetary life during extreme environmental change

Testing the socioeconomic and environmental determinants of better child-health outcomes in Africa

Lower infant mortality, lower household size, and more access to contraception reduce fertility in low- and middle-income nations

06:16 - Fur trappers and conservation in British Columbia

06:53 - Population of furbearing species in British Columbia: Grizzly Bears + Bobcats and Lynx

07:03 - Tree cover in British Columbia 

07:07 - Habitat loss as key driver of biodiversity decline

07:34 - Yukon region revealed as most intact mountainous area on Earth

07:46 - Tree cover in Quebec

07:51 - History of over-exploitation of Quebec’s forest

08:16 - International Baccalaureate

09:02 - University of Montreal, Biodiversity center

09:40 - University of Otago

10:33 - Peter Brannen, TGS Episode 

10:50 - 6th Mass Extinction 

11:03 - Deep time

11:12 - Ediacaran period, Devonian period 

11:35 - Example paleontological sites

11:44 - Paper on evolution of coelacanths

12:18 - Using fossils to detect mass extinctions

12:29 - Mass extinction events, minor mass extinctions

12:52 - Asteroid impact causing mass extinction of dinosaurs

13:11 - 20-40 smaller extinction events

13:49 - Randomness of extinction events

14:10 - Causes of extinction events

14:58 - Explaining why we are already in the 6th mass extinction

Additional information: Has the Earth’s sixth mass extinction already arrived? 

16:07 - Most extinctions go unnoticed

16:20 - Comparing current extinction rates to the background rate

17:16 - Biodiversity levels over time

17:26 - Evolutionary uniqueness in Cambrian period

18:05 - Placoderms

18:14 - Coelacanths

18:30 - Misconceptions about evolution

18:52 - Evolution of eyes

19:32 - All people with blue eyes have a common ancestor

19:43 - Ginger hair and the Neanderthal link

20:48 - The Carbon Pulse 

22:27 - Carrying capacity, Overshoot

22:55 - Humans on deep time scale

23:44 - Recovery of life after extinctions

24:26 - Paul Ehrlich, TGS Episode

24:58 - Extinction begets speciation

25:16 - The end of life on Earth

26:22 - The probability of extraterrestrial life

28:09 - Coextinction

28:17 - Giovanni Strona

28:34 - Tardigrades

29:20 - Paper on the resilience of tardigrades

29:36 - Velvet worms

31:15 - Parasites cannot survive without a host, Codependence between plants and pollinators

32:38 - Trophic webs

33:27 - Ecological network analysis 

33:34 - Ants and plants video used in Nate’s class

34:01 - Extinction cascades

36:05 - Database on thermal tolerance of different species 

37:49 - Paper: Coextinctions dominate future vertebrate losses from climate and land use change

38:00 - Paper: Estimating co-extinction threats in terrestrial ecosystems

39:16 - Influence of invasive species in replacing ecological functions

39:55 - Nick Haddad, TGS Episode

40:09 - 1%-2% loss of insect biomass per year

41:16 - **25% of animal species are beetles

41:39 - Invertebrates as proportion of terrestrial biomass

43:00 - Challenges for assessing trends in insect populations

44:09 - Living Planet Report on animal population loss since 1970

45:49 - Inbreeding depression

46:36 - Inbreeding depression varies across species

47:05 - Ecological extinction

47:09 - Population of right whales

48:10 - Homozygous alleles

48:52 - Inbreeding and loss of genetic diversity for adaptation

50:14 - Dependence on pollinators 

50:48 - Efficiency of drones as pollinators

51:02 - Economic value of pollination

51:38 - Migratory beekeeping in the US

52:22 - Impact of agriculture on habitat loss

53:16 - Great Auk, extinction

54:08 - Impact of invasive species on extinctions

54:40 - Cats and foxes as key drivers of mammalian extinction in Australia

55:40 - Impact of invasive rabbits on Australian ecosystems, impacts of invasive carp, impacts of invasive plants

57:15 - Economic cost of invasive species 

57:47 - Impact of climate change on extinctions

57:57 - Global warming projected at 2-4 degrees Celsius by 2100

1:02:07 - The Denial of Death

1:02:53 - Cognitive dissonance

1:09:35 - Paper: Net benefit of smaller human populations to environmental integrity and individual health and wellbeing, Paper: Long-Term Benefits of Curbing Human Population Growth

1:10:45 - Fertility rate data

1:11:40 - Oil and natural gas underpin our food system

1:12:50 - Paper: Child mortality and fertility rates

1:13:23 - Paper: Child health outcomes

1:14:34 - Paper: Feral pig eradication on Kangaroo Island

1:16:22 - Elon Musk says we need more babies

1:19:00 - Countries with declining populations, immigration and declining population in Japan

1:19:16 - Jeremy Grantham, TGS Episode

1:19:26 - Population growth Australia

1:20:00 - Annual change in population data

1:20:23 - Depensation

1:21:15 - Population dynamics data

1:22:05 - *We are using 1.7 Earths per year

1:23:19 - *75% of contribution to heating is from population growth Section 3.4.1

1:23:44 - Energy consumption per capita data

1:25:50 - Emergence 

1:28:10 - Financial overhang and claims on biophysical reality

1:30:51 - 2.1 children per woman is the replacement rate

1:33:42 - Migration and consumption patterns

1:37:00 - Most child mortality happens in first year of life

1:43:22 - UN employees can’t talk about family planning 

1:46:04 - Rex Wyler, TGS Episode

1:50:00 - Paper: Underestimating the challenges of avoiding a ghastly future

1:50:48 - Young people in Australia don’t want to drink or take drugs Figure 4

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